LGBT Christianity

I stumbled upon some material today and I felt called to share it with my audience.

It was a group of men discussing their lives in an honest and safe forum.  They discussed their attraction to men and how they were exploring this personal journey alongside their Christian faith.

Many of the men talked about a call to celibacy, Others spoke about Mixed-orientation marriage, and others still talked about same-sex relationships.

The common theme was an honest and open discussion.  The discussion wasn’t mired in assumptions or limits.

What was so striking about this discussion was its depth and from this experience I started to realize something.

I realized that these men and woman were having a discussion so much more real and honest than we have really ever had in the Church.  That the stories and experiences these individuals were sharing far surpassed the content of the discussion we usually associate with the study/debate of sexuality.

These men and woman had lived this experience and they where exploring their lives with God and with friends with an ethos of Love.

They where sharing different perspectives and different narratives of each others lives.  They where there for each other and talked as a family.

Lastly there wasn’t a bitterness to the institutions and individuals who had so greatly failed them.  Instead the discussion was how to be part of the mission of the church in the most faithful and honest way.

Isn’t that the way of God though.  To empower the victims, powerless, and marginalized in order for them to be a witness of the greatness and paradigm smashing power of Love.

I think there are seeds being planted in many of these communities that will bear a fruit so beautiful it is hard to express.  I think a lot of these communities will be remembered in glory for being a witness and for tending to discussions that will lead to a harmony and communion we haven’t seen or been able to envision.

This isn’t a post about LGBT or LGBTQIA affirmation or negation in the traditional sense of the discussion we have so many times had.

This is about a new type of discussion and one more fitting for the christian community.  A beautiful conversation infused with the breath of growth, honesty, and exploration that I believe is going to bloom into a wonderful flower that all of us enjoy.

🙂 ❤

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"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." -- 1 John 4:7 A simple man exploring the mysteries of love - TSP
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48 Responses to LGBT Christianity

  1. paulfg says:

    Thank you TSP – you sparked a small post I did not know was waiting! ((hugs))

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  2. Very well said. It’s always better to have an open discussion instead of using violence and blaming others. Thank you for sharing this, it gives me hope for the future=)

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  3. We’re all children of God. Love is love. He loves us ALL. 💜

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  4. JD_Riley says:

    A great reminder. Too often we see the erosion of true community.

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  5. I do agree there needs to be more discussion about these issues in the church with more love and empathy. We may not all agree, but we can do so in love.

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  6. I think it is wonderful that everyone was willing to share their stories and listen to each other with an open heart and mind. To seek answers instead of turning your back is what everyone should do. Sounds like a great discussion group. 🙂

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  7. What a thoughtful post. How good if we could all come together and truly, deeply think about and discuss human sexuality in a personal and spiritual way. As a Christian (in the Catholic Church) I find the hate, anger and utter lack of sympathy for those in the LGBT community disheartening. And, as someone who is not single by choice (due to a debilitating physical disability) I find the mainstream culture’s idea of a “happy life” (everyone needs a romantic partner) so limited and likewise disheartening.
    To be able to dig deep in an honest community of love and faithfulness… That would be good, indeed.

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    • Christina thank you for an absolutely wonderful thoughtful reply 🙂

      I couldn’t agree more with you.

      For instance in the Church we have a strong view of celibacy as something that also has an intimate nature but on a spiritual/emotional level.

      If we can value that as an equal calling to the mutual love and self giving of marriage then we need to look at other callings of love like the situation you described in your own life.

      I think in this next decade with a lot of Christians waking up we won’t continue to have the conversations in the same way.

      It doesn’t mean there will be an acceptance of the LGBT lifestyle but it does mean there will not be the hatred/ignorant narratives used to repress real, open, and loving conversation that really delves into the subject and the christian mission of Love.

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  8. I love this! It’s so nice to hear that these discussions are taking place.

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    • Thanks so much for the words of support 🙂

      It is true there is some really beautiful developments happening in the world now and from a religious perspective we would probably say it is reflecting the truth that despite our own fallings and failures “God makes everything beautiful in time”

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      • It’s refreshing especially after some of the conversations I hear at home. Recodnizing & respecting the humanity in each and every person is what Christianity at its core is all about (in my humble opinion).

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      • I think your completely right unfortunately we have had a lot of ignorant men and woman who shout the loudest and in times of weakness and laziness people repeat those arguments for a host of subjects. It’s used in racial discussions, sexuality discussions, socio-economic discussions, class discussions, pretty much any subject under the sun.

        However I have seen a really powerful move in the last year or so towards a real combating of this phenomena.

        Finally those in teaching and leadership positions and even within the grass-roots are calling for that way of talking to be shunned.

        That it is anti-good not just in general society but contradicts the witness of being the salt of the earth that christians are called to become for the mission of the church which is to love.

        I really dream of a day a few decades maybe down the road were people just look at someone making claims that are not well sourced and well articulated as foolish and not worth taking seriously.

        🙂

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  9. Am touched. The LGBT community are simply a set of beings people don’t understand. And people fear what they don’t understand.

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  10. abz says:

    Thank you for this posting!

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  11. What a beautiful post and conversation.

    Thank you for dropping by my place so I could find you here.

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  12. Steven & Valerie says:

    Reblogged this on Wilderness of Arabia.

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  13. annkantx says:

    I like your mind. I always say if we believe God is creator whether by Genesis or evolution or other design, then to be godly, we must be creative. One need not be a wordsmith or hold a paint brush, but must find a creative way to serve, be kind and accepting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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  14. Absolutely beautiful and so true!

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  15. mackmarie says:

    Thank you for this post- what a stance of love and not of position. If only others could understand this!

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  17. austindodsonblog says:

    “I realized that these men and woman were having a discussion so much more real and honest than we have really ever had in the Church.” My wife and I have felt this way countless times. I think in spaces of honesty and openness is where transformation occurs. Thank you for sharing the experience!

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  18. tugoffaith says:

    I really enjoyed your thoughtful post. My denomination (Methodist) has been struggling with this issue for many years and I hope that they resolve it. I believe, as do some of the other commenters, that God loves everyone. Love and serve all!

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    • Very true, I think love and serving all is the heart of the gospel. The article write-up tries to stay clear of affirmation or negation as I think we need new ways of looking at this in light of the brilliance of the gospel 🙂

      Thanks for a wonderful reply back!

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  19. As a Christian who is also part of the LGBT community, I cannot relate to this enough. God truly does love everyone, and it’s important to have everyone understand this. It truly doesn’t matter if you are gay or straight, because God cares that you are his disciple.

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  20. I love this! I just wrote a post about this on my blog too. It breaks my heart the way that the church has failed the LGBTQ… community. We are called to love others no matter who they are, what they’ve done, or what they believe. Thank you for this post!

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  21. Reblogged this on Divine. Incarnate. and commented:
    I’m sharing this post from a fellow blogger as my Reblog First Monday because it has stayed in my mind since I first read it and I still reflect upon it from time to time. Sadly, it seems to me that some of my fellow readers have misunderstood The Smiling Pilgrim. This post does not say that the Catholic Church’s teaching on homosexuality is wrong – neither does it say that it is right. The point, I believe, is our need for honest dialogue about being human.

    The group of Christian men that The Smiling Pilgrim discovered in an online forum all had same-sex attraction and were wondering what to do about it. Some of them were considering celibacy, others were considering “mixed orientation” marriage. Notice that all of them didn’t automatically feel or believe that they should leave the Church and enter into a same-sex relationship. But, some of them did feel that this was the course that they would take.

    The Catholic Church has very deep teachings on human sexuality with organic ramifications for all people – not just those who have same-sex attraction. There are very high standards for heterosexual people, too. And I understand that many people chafe against these ramifications and standards – but it is important for us to understand what it is that we are chafing against. In other words, what is the Church’s teaching? (1) That every human being is sacred. (2) That the way through which human beings enter into the world (sex and sexuality) is sacred. (3) Sacrifice is not a four letter word, but, rather, from loving sacrifice can come bliss.

    As I wrote in my original comment to this post on LGBT Christianity, too often, people in the Catholic Church and other Christian churches do not realize the sacrifice that gay and lesbian people are being asked to make and only speak to them and about them with unsympathetic and sometimes angry language. That isn’t the Christian way. We need to truly understand a person’s struggles if we want to help that person understand the healing nature of the Gospel. What also bothers me is that, in our mainstream culture, we are too quick to think that someone with same-sex attraction must enter into a relationship in order to attain full happiness – just as we think for people who are heterosexual. Why? Why is it believed that only by having a sexual relationship can a person be fully human?

    My question “Why” is an honest one. And I believe what The Smiling Pilgrim is hoping for is honesty in current and future conversations about anything and everything. Honesty doesn’t mean spouting off an opinion without listening to the other person. It means truly listening and truly wondering, not afraid to show our own wounds. It means getting to the heart of each and every matter and understanding how the tiny seed of a Teaching can bear beautiful fruit, even if the growing is difficult. It means loving and receiving love. Forgiving and being forgiven. The Gospel is truly Good News for all people – including someone like me who, not by choice, will never have a sexual partner. The goodness of the Gospel needs to be discovered, cultivated, nourished, and cherished. It is not a hammer with which to beat other people into submission. Rather, it is a lever with which we pry open our own hearts that we may better understand Christ’s love in the fullness of being human.

    I truly appreciate hearing any and all comments!

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  22. I’m a little confused by the post. Are you just making an observation that God is calling the LGBT community back to Him or are you making a judgement that practicing LGBT members can be Christians?

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  23. I love this post because it brings up the idea that what doesn’t get discussed in church buildings can still be discussed in church/fellowship. Such a strong principle to promote…there is no limit to the discussion of Faith….the Word says what is says…but especially in the United States where the 1st Amendment allows it…and 2nd, let us round-table with all Christians to spread the Gospel…not one of us has not sinned. In this manner, we are all equal before God.

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  24. I agree with this!
    I don’t see how people can love one sinner but hate the other; it just doesn’t make sense, especially because its every single one of our sins that entitle us to having a savior.

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